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Jacob's Ban Appeal

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Hagan

first person to rdm on metro
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Name:
Jacob

Steam ID:
STEAM_0:0:48300541

Reason for ban:
hogstrollop (STEAM_0:0:48300541) has left the server ( You are banned by: Oak (STEAM_0:1:32866129) Reason: FailRP, Minge, Tag Abuse, NITRP. Appeal at: https://tinyurl.com/rs-appeal You will be unbanned in: 1 week, 6 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes)
Picture of ban: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/709947914885005392/940794331726503936/unknown.png

Why you should be unbanned: I'm not looking for a ban to fully be removed just for a ban reduction as I don't think two weeks is a fair amount of time.

In General -
My memory is hazy on the situation, I just got a new dab pen and I was high as fuck (i know you're not meant to get on the server innebriated but hey-ho I'm honest) but I'll recall the points as best I can. I jumped online for some fun with the boys, I headed into DD bunks and just started to place props down cause I said I wanted to redecorate it, the props themselves being FailRP don't make much sense to me in any way because when you're building something you scroll through and place things that you obviously aren't going to use in any finality just to see what they look like, the only mingey prop that was spawned was the Gmod Logo... which was deleted five seconds later. Oh and on the most heinous crime being spawning a sound rifle prop I've killed a STRIKE agent and looted their corpse for a contract on that character (just so I could spawn the sound rifle prop for clout, no, not the actual gun don't cry you can't spawn actual looted weapons in).

I also was not informed about the ban and found out by trying to load in after calling a massive URF Flagup (felt like a moron after that), I wasn't allowed to provide evidence in my defense or just even state a single word, I wasn't given a staff sit in any way which I'm fairly sure is a requirement to ban someone also the member of staff who banned me was online at the time I was doing this stuff and nobody thought to warn me, tell me I was minging even though several members of the staff team were literally spectating me just watching.

In my opinion it's a tad unfair for people to watch you do something wrong and not correct you in any way before passing out an ultimate punishment AFTER it's been done and finished already... if someone is breaking the rules no matter what level they're at it should be the job of the staff to make sure a person knows they're breaking the rules and not simply be the arbiters of punishment and that's all, you might as well just have ban bots at that point if you're not going to interact with the playerbase.

NITRP -
No intent to roleplay... is a bit of a silly thing to add into my ban reasons, I clearly have intent to roleplay, all the time, I've made extremely roleplay heavy events and all of my characters have roleplay aspects to them that I play so I clearly have intent to roleplay as I've done it for nigh-on four years on the server.

Tag Abuse -
I've never seen anyone banned for tag abuse unless they actively are destroying the server via a soda can (brash </3) every single time I've seen you simply get the tag removed, which also happened, it's also not as if I did anything particularly heinous with my tags, I just spawned props in a cramped room.

Minge -
We were just having fun, I said I was going to redecorate the Devil Dog bunks and I clearly was trying to, I just spammed through my prop list until I found something I liked and I delete all the non lore friendly items that were there after about five seconds, like the Gmod Logo prop.

FailRP -
Considering I was trying to literally redecorate the bunks of Devil Dogs with props and unless you're transporting materials like beds, seats and radiators from a cargo area in [RP] I don't really consider what I was doing IC in any way, if anything I should've cloaked and godded and tried to redo the bunks, spawning props has never been something I've considered as IC or RP because that makes very little sense unless it's a set approved dupe (it wasn't).

- For anyone who has heard something fucking stupid that didn't happen because people tend to lie and oversell what happens when someone gets banned, this is a video of it! I'm fairly sure this shows we were just having fun all of us laughing none of us were trying to upset anyone or try to make anyone angry, just boys havin' fun.
 

Oak

Affairs Man
Halo RP
Head Admin
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First to defend myself from the indictment, while I may have been on server, I was AFK at the time and came back only to close the game. Had I known of what was going on, I would have dealt with it then. Secondly, the line of thinking that punishment cannot be passed after an infraction is committed is just flawed. Just because a senior admin that was present at the time did not feel obligated to dish out a punishment does not mean that you are immune to one. I could make a million analogies to further this point, but I won't because no one believes that simply "getting away" with something makes you immune to being punished for it.

This verdict was deliberated on after hearing the perspective of the members of LM and with approval from UM. I have it confirmed from these trusted members of our community that there was no RP done for any of the props spawned (which is why the situation and subsequent PKs were voided) and that you purposefully spawned the rifle to trigger ONI because it would be "funny." With no proof of this supposed hit on a STRIKE Agent, I am going to trust Lower Management's word that FailRP did occur.

A sit or an explanation is not always offered to people. A mass RDM'er will not get a sit to explain why what he did was wrong. Someone spamming the hard R will not get a sit, nor will someone threatening to DDOS the server. You are an experienced RS player, and very familiar with the rules. We should not have to explain to you how what you did was completely out of line.

The punishment of a 2w ban, as I previously said, was approved by UM. Your actions were obviously malicious based on you testifying that you spawned the hard sound rifle because you thought it would be funny, along with openly laughing at ONI as they explained the situation during the High Council meeting and calling them "cringe." This wasn't a mistake (unless you were so far gone with your dab pen, which isn't an excuse) and this wasn't your first time breaking RS rules. The extended punishment is due to the malicious nature of your actions, the extent to which you performed them, and your increasing regularity with breaking rules.
 

Hagan

first person to rdm on metro
Joined
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First to defend myself from the indictment, while I may have been on server, I was AFK at the time and came back only to close the game. Had I known of what was going on, I would have dealt with it then. Secondly, the line of thinking that punishment cannot be passed after an infraction is committed is just flawed. Just because a senior admin that was present at the time did not feel obligated to dish out a punishment does not mean that you are immune to one. I could make a million analogies to further this point, but I won't because no one believes that simply "getting away" with something makes you immune to being punished for it.

This verdict was deliberated on after hearing the perspective of the members of LM and with approval from UM. I have it confirmed from these trusted members of our community that there was no RP done for any of the props spawned (which is why the situation and subsequent PKs were voided) and that you purposefully spawned the rifle to trigger ONI because it would be "funny." With no proof of this supposed hit on a STRIKE Agent, I am going to trust Lower Management's word that FailRP did occur.

A sit or an explanation is not always offered to people. A mass RDM'er will not get a sit to explain why what he did was wrong. Someone spamming the hard R will not get a sit, nor will someone threatening to DDOS the server. You are an experienced RS player, and very familiar with the rules. We should not have to explain to you how what you did was completely out of line.

The punishment of a 2w ban, as I previously said, was approved by UM. Your actions were obviously malicious based on you testifying that you spawned the hard sound rifle because you thought it would be funny, along with openly laughing at ONI as they explained the situation during the High Council meeting and calling them "cringe." This wasn't a mistake (unless you were so far gone with your dab pen, which isn't an excuse) and this wasn't your first time breaking RS rules. The extended punishment is due to the malicious nature of your actions, the extent to which you performed them, and your increasing regularity with breaking rules.
I spawned some props
 
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Tasteful

Sexmodius
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In hindsight, at most this could have probably been just tag abuse and maybe minging, the rest just seem like they're slapped on to make it seem worse.

"A sit or an explanation is not always offered to people. A mass RDM'er will not get a sit to explain why what he did was wrong. Someone spamming the hard R will not get a sit, nor will someone threatening to DDOS the server. You are an experienced RS player, and very familiar with the rules. We should not have to explain to you how what you did was completely out of line." Comparing DDOSing, Racism and Mass RDM to holding Q menu in an enclosed area and clicking on oni_crate and sound_rifle_mdl is a bad take.

And also, in the video I've seen, no ONI were around until what I assume when the video cut off, so I don't think this was to spite anyone. realistically the only way they could have gotten 'triggered' about it is by infamously metagaming and using spectate. (Which you can see and hear in the video.)

In my opinion, at least a reduction is in order.
 

Ryoketa

Undead
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18
Age
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As a previous HoRP and manager of this server with a brief understanding of the rules, I think that the punishment that was given, being tag removal and a 2-week ban, was too extreme given the situation. A person getting banned for mass RDM would get ~2 weeks, and to equate what is essentially a little bit of mucking about and spawning props with some server friends away from everyone else to shooting up briefing feels a little wrong, no?

Let's take a look at the charges, typically NITRP applies to players that come on the server with the intention to troll, which would apply more to newer players rather than someone who has been here for a while. You would have to argue that Nevada purposefully came onto the server that day with the specific intention to spawn props and mess about and not anything else. Although the offenses of minging, which the server generally defines as any messing about, and tag abuse apply here, it only really seems like a minor issue, since it affected no one except for the people isolated in the bunk. However, even the extent of the tag abuse seems to be up to debate since the leader tag is unable to spawn weapons through the q menu. At most, it seems like minor tag abuse (prop spawning) and general mingery/messing about is all that applies. Ideally, a veteran player should have known better and should have not done anything all, but another issue lies in the fact that Nevada did not receive a sit.

If someone on the server who has been around for a while, such as the spartan commander, is unable to explain or defend themselves in an admin sit, you might as well not have staff do anything at all other than ban. Your justification for this lack of a sit is the fact that "he should know better". You might as well apply this logic to everyone who joins the server that makes a minor infraction, since they should have already read the rules after joining the server, and thus, should have known better. Regardless, in my personal experience of dealing with staff, this situation reeks of someone holding a grudge by piling on trumped-up charges, or someone looking to make an example out of Nevada.

I still believe that the removal of Nevada's tag due to abuse was fair, I do not believe that the mingery and FailRP displayed in the video and the situation described was enough to warrant a 2-week ban, and a reduced time seems more than fair. However, the proper procedure, in this case, would have been tag removal due to tag abuse, then an explanation in a sit for FailRP and minge, in which this should have been more of a warning.
 
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Somethin Like The Void

Hollowed
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TIME REDUCTION ACCEPTED

The ban will be lowered to 10 days on account of a recent punishment regarding the same infraction (tag abuse). Leader tags will also be kept, but if another punishment is warranted for tag abuse, the punishment will scale much more, at the discretion of the involved staff/affairs.
 
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