Pac Restriction

[William]

Hello Revival



Due to the massive amounts of lag and crashes that players have been experiencing we will be looking into restricting PAC. We will be releasing a more detailed and in depth document that will show what is allowed and what is not. How much of a certain effect/particle is allowed and how much is not. How large a certain aspect of PAC can be and is allowed. If certain categories are restricted within PAC such as downloadable models from outside of the server.

We will be convening a council to decide on what restrictions will be in place. This way we will not restrict what is needed and restrict what is unnecessary. Each Faction will have their voice heard and put into the PAC Restrict Document.
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Here is some proof of how badly FPS is affected on the server due to PAC.

No PAC 100+ FPS
With PAC >40 FPS
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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1750687605
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1750687627

SPECS:
CPU - I7-4790K
Graphics Card - 1080 TI
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We will release a Punishment guideline for breaking PAC rules as well. It will be located in the Document.

 

[Harashi]

+1
I'd say no effects or flashing lights or fancy shamncy ai light thingies. camos and small additions like backpacks, holstered guns, and such would be ok. Keep it realistic to the model, don't change it completely. Like Rhino people have a great example. Rhino camo, holstered guns, and a diff colored visor. That's what I'm going for, is nice and simple, hopefully shouldn't lag anyone out.

 

[William]

+1
I'd say no effects or flashing lights or fancy shamncy ai light thingies. camos and small additions like backpacks, holstered guns, and such would be ok. Keep it realistic to the model, don't change it completely. Like Rhino people have a great example. Rhino camo, holstered guns, and a diff colored visor. That's what I'm going for, is nice and simple, hopefully shouldn't lag anyone out.

That was the original point of PAC to offer some modifications. However, people took it too great lengths.

 

[Harashi]

That was the original point of PAC to offer some modifications. However, people took it too great lengths.

I agree 100%
It's so immersion breaking to see them go overboard, I get robot arms and such, but jeez. I like keeping my pac realistic and practical for combat.

 

[James Balor]

Apocalypse incoming

 

[Harashi]

Apocalypse incoming

I am prepared, are you?

 

[Planet]

But rhino camo ;-;

 

[TotallyTiger]

I think one of the biggest problems in pac and maybe why it keeps causing people to crash and have massive lag is the ability to import custom models from places like blender, and applying said model in the game with a dropbox link. when the player wears his pac, everyone on the server has to download the models brought into the server. i think if we put restrictions on custom models the crashes may become minimal and the fps may rise.
[doublepost=1558737565,1558737383][/doublepost]also i agree that some people take pac way too far. we should implement a rule that all pacs must be canonicaly correct in the lore. meaning no fairy AIs, swords from other games, or even audio cues.
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But rhino camo ;-;

the rhino camo is ok because we are using assets already provided by the server. the only thing foreign are the camo wallpapers, and those are really small compared to full on 3d models.

 

[Aible Reins]

The AI models (canonically) can be whatever the AI chooses. there are a few lore examples for none humanoid shapes and all sorts of crazy things. Deja, te spartan AI, was a greek goddess (for example) and Kilo 5's AI was just a black box.

 

[TotallyTiger]

The AI models (canonically) can be whatever the AI chooses. there are a few lore examples for none humanoid shapes and all sorts of crazy things. Deja, te spartan AI, was a greek goddess (for example) and Kilo 5's AI was just a black box.

I know, im just saying cuz in the past ive met AIs that looked like the fairies from Zelda. I think AIs should be allowed to only pick a model(s) already provided by the server.

 

[Talko]

I mean I usually have log only with the sos's and spartans pacs all the others seems fine even with some AI Pacs.
Though i consistently sit on 20 frames no matter what (unless the server is under 60 people then its 30-40 consistently), either way i only find certain factions presenting lag. particle effects dont even affect me i even use particles and dont receive lag even with other using it, its all these complex Import 3d HD/4k models people are using
[doublepost=1558739400,1558739243][/doublepost]I receive no lag at all from AI pacs or simpler army/marine/(MOST)odsts its usually the higher up sos members and the spartans with some excepions on individuals who go ham on their pac in their respective factions

 

[Harashi]

The AI models (canonically) can be whatever the AI chooses. there are a few lore examples for none humanoid shapes and all sorts of crazy things. Deja, te spartan AI, was a greek goddess (for example) and Kilo 5's AI was just a black box.

The AI belong in the person's head.Should only be able to be projected from like the fancy AI table display things.
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I mean I usually have log only with the sos's and spartans pacs all the others seems fine even with some AI Pacs.
Though i consistently sit on 20 frames no matter what (unless the server is under 60 people then its 30-40 consistently), either way i only find certain factions presenting lag. particle effects dont even affect me i even use particles and dont receive lag even with other using it, its all these complex Import 3d HD/4k models people are using
[doublepost=1558739400,1558739243][/doublepost]I receive no lag at all from AI pacs or simpler army/marine/(MOST)odsts its usually the higher up sos members and the spartans with some excepions on individuals who go ham on their pac in their respective factions

like them elites with the edgy dual wielding blades and holograms and thruster packs and such?
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I think one of the biggest problems in pac and maybe why it keeps causing people to crash and have massive lag is the ability to import custom models from places like blender, and applying said model in the game with a dropbox link. when the player wears his pac, everyone on the server has to download the models brought into the server. i think if we put restrictions on custom models the crashes may become minimal and the fps may rise.
[doublepost=1558737565,1558737383][/doublepost]also i agree that some people take pac way too far. we should implement a rule that all pacs must be canonicaly correct in the lore. meaning no fairy AIs, swords from other games, or even audio cues.
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the rhino camo is ok because we are using assets already provided by the server. the only thing foreign are the camo wallpapers, and those are really small compared to full on 3d models.

I'm trying my ass off to get into Rhino, but nobody does Whiskey tryouts XD

 

[Zenvia]

Just manually disable it clientside if it causes your lag.
Like just goto PAC3 in the Options tab top right of your spawnmenu and disable it.

 

[Coyote]

Just manually disable it clientside if it causes your lag.
Like just goto PAC3 in the Options tab top right of your spawnmenu and disable it.

The issue is that some people use pac to enchance rp and their appearances is in a RP friendly way. And they can’t do that and people can’t see that because we have some guy with a laggy ass useless pac

 

[William]

We have limited out of server materials.

So, to assist with adding more materials and making the limitation less intrusive, we have added 264 materials.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1277450475&searchtext=material

You are allowed to use in server materials as much as you want.

 

[William]

@sullycollins Please place the document link in this thread as well.

 

[ghj0sh]

Can we get an F in chat for all the people that spent time into their pacs to make it detailed and are now being limited?

F

Edit: GPU and CPU aren’t the only things that make FPS higher or lower. You should add all the details of your computer. Monitor, ram, power supply, etc.

Edit 2: Depending on where you look, your FPS changes as well. Not only that, but 200+ addons make it worse. If you look at a wall versus looking at two people with/without PAC on, the FPS will be different.

 

[sullycollins]

https://revivalservers.com/index.php?threads/pac-rules-5-27-19.23241/

^ link to the doc

 

[Desert_Falcon]

Negative, or Positive I've noticed a decent performance boost though. I"m neutral on this, but the performance feels good.