The MED Staff problem

[Planet]

Mass promotions. That is the one huge flaw with med staff higher-ups, people with the rank of MED should not be promoted to MO because they attended a training. There is a medical rank guide posted by one of our doctors stating this exact thing, to become MO you must help medical staff in some way. Whether it be helping others get better at MedRP or making a post like the medical immersion guide. These MASS PROMOS need to stop and fast. MO should feel like an accomplishment, not some random rank you just got handed. This is my view, others may have different opinions on this. Just to restate and get it stuck in people's heads, ranks in medRP shouldn't be handed out, they should be earned. (This means doing something good for all of medical not just doing some random training)

IMPORTANT EDIT: I also feel like the rules of med staff need to be clarified in a meeting with all the doctors. Also I doubt many of the med staff actually have looked at the posts pinned about med RP.

 

[Weeaboo Jones]

+1
Thank you. Finally someone but me figured out. Thank you for quoting my work. The application for Doctor that Naval made was probably one of the things that contributed to this. It caused people to climb the ranks to Doctor, and not even earn it. Please, stop with the mass promotions. I mean, if I can point out the massive influx of MO's and MS' after the Doctor applications, then you can see that they are the reason for the mass promotions. Now I'm not trying to point out a specific Doctor, but Robo, by word of mouth and orally, from all of the new medical staff that have been promoted, they have said it was by Robo, when those promoted have not even met the specific prerequisites.

-UNSCAF MPr MD Ahab (Doctor Ahab)

 

[SparrowsT]

+1
I agree, i don´t mind everyone or most of the people getting medical rank but the mass promotions needs to stop, i´ve seen people get promoted from MED to MS so quickly, to have a higher med rank they need to earn it.

-ODST Platoon Corpsman Sparrow.

HALO RP CHARACTERS.

ODST MO CPO Sparrow.
ONI S1H MO CWO3 Tarkov.

 

[Weeaboo Jones]

Exactly, it should be earned, not given out. A rank in Medical Staff is to be respected, yearned for, and then gained.

 

[Robo]

Hello gents, I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and are enjoying the weekend!

The reason behind the large amount of new trainees and appointments, primarily to the rank of MO, with a few being appointed to MS, is there a massive drought or gap in medical team leadership at a junior level. From my observation of the server, and how RP is conducted, I have found that there were very few, if any medical RP events where we had an adequate amount of staff in the past (often there was no one capable of running courses and those who did were on at certain times of the week where others may not have the opportunity to attend training). Often, there was maybe one or two on the server while now there is enough to manage combat scenarios as well as medical situations in the med-bay at any one time.

Appointments to the rank of MO and MS should not necessarily be coveted or hoarded, but should be sparingly be given to those who merit the position and have an aptitude for the position, with particular attention to involvement on the server, medical RP involvement, and their engagement and leadership potential. The medical team has been hurting for people and now we have a player base large enough to get involved and be an active component of the server at any one time due to the dissemination of information, leadership opportunities and knowledge.

No one has been "handed" the rank of MO without having been observed and talked to about the role, responsibility, and requirements for the position. I want to see the medical team grow and thrive and providing opportunities and recognition for member's hard work provides us retention and reliable members which we need.

 

[Weeaboo Jones]

I need to actually disprove that. I have specifically talked to multiple MO's and MS', with some being particularly... how do I put this, "Uneducated in MedRP." For instance, I'd like to point out the prerequisites required for the rank of MO and MS. You are required to help the medical staff/ branch in one way or another. (Clarification is on my rankings form)

The medical staff deserves quality over quantity, adding more inexperienced medical staff to higher rankings will only further the problem, not solve it. I do not believe that adding more members to higher rankings, will add to our numbers within the medical staff. I can also specifically point out that the playerbase of the medical staff has been a problem, but adding more players to it has not improved it. The use of medical and medical staff during events is up to a player's choice, not the quantity of units on standby in the medical branch. Not to mention, these ranks have been created for the medical staff to strive to obtain, not gain at an absurdly fast rate (see the ranking guide for specific pre-requisites).

I believe that you are in fact mass promoting, and you're only trying to justify a situation, that needs no justification. As well, I'd like to circle to a previous instance, which has happened quite recently, of Agent Texas, obtaining the ranking of doctor. Agent Texas was no where near ready, and in order to obtain the rank of doctor, it is required to have an OOC medical occupation. Now I do not know if Texas has an ooc medical occupation, but I believe that he was not even in the medical staff. This act is completely unjustifiable, and can't even be explained. No one should gain Doctor right off of the bat, and you shouldn't be promoting those for performing something as slight as "a surgery," which regular MEDs aren't supposed to be performing. I believe that you aren't fit for the title of Doctor. Not in terms of skill, but of leadership...

 

[Planet]

Texas does, he is a doctor in real life from what Montana told me.

 

[Weeaboo Jones]

Texas does, he is a doctor in real life from what Montana told me.

Then okay, he meets the pre-requisites of the OOC occupation, but not of assisting the medical branch. He should have to climb the ranks the same as everyone else, not be special as "he's a doctor in real life." That should not be a reason for this act.

 

[Lamba]

If I may speak on the matter. The medical division of the UNSCDF will be undergoing some change. As a doctor you need to have 1. An OOC Medical Occupation 2. Impeccable Medical Roleplay and 3. The Ability To Lead. This bickering won't solve anything, what we need to do is discuss who is doctor and who is deserving of it. Robo if I may, I understand what you are saying you are doing, however your actions caused the medical rank of MO to lose its authority and its desirability. I am not sure how many ranks there are in the medical division, however based on what the two doctors here have stated the ranks go MED, MO, MS and Doctor. I do not see a problem with having a lot of MO's and such. The medical needs a promotion protocol. If a MED constantly helps people injured, and contributes to many operations on and off of the field, he should be promoted. (Active for at least 1 week) As for MO- MS that should take a long time, a lot of skills and serious contribution to the division as well as being able to perform immaculate surgeries. Please also take into account their quick thinking, leadership skills and their behavior outside the medbay. What should have happened with this reform Robo is that all current MO's go through a course to see if they are fit to be MS. However you promoted people haphazardly which resulted in this. I'm issuing an order right now for all the Doctors, first off all the doctors are to be listed here with a reply to this thread, secondly all MS' and all MO's are to be tested and put through a course in which you all decide on together. If they fail they are to be demoted, in the case that an MS is to be demoted to MO, he will go through that same course to see if he is still fit to be MO. I know your two personalities Robo and Ahab, they don't exactly click. If you two, and the other doctors do not come to a conclusion and carry out these orders, you will all be demoted to MO and I will personally decide on a new Doctor. It may have been a mistake to have more than one doctor, currently that remains to be seen, but I believe you two can come up with a conclusion. Also Robo, your occupation as doctor is hanging from a thread right now due to lack of activity.

Sincerely,
Captain Connors.
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[Weeaboo Jones]

I'm just to say, this wouldn't had happened if there was no doctor application, which isn't even how you get the ranking of Doctor. I will be holding the courses, and they will not be easy. I may be biased as I had to work extremely hard, and for about 3 months in order to get MO. I had to create the medical guide form for the medical branch, and that's what I believe is the right way to go about it. It's not to treat the medical ranks as regular promotions on the server, but something extremely important to get. Yes your surgeries will take place in it, yes your leadership will play a role, but the biggest and contributing factor, is have you helped the medical branch itself? I believe that you must make some contribution, preferably of a sizeable amount, in order to gain your promotion. Gaining doctor, when not even helping the medical staff is completely unjust. We're all here to help patients and the injured, but we're also here to help the medical branch and staff grow. Now, on Sunday, I will be hosting these courses. They will not be easy, and they will not be forgiving, frankly, I'd not like to see any of the medical officers stay since most, if not all, haven't helped the medical branch in any way. Also, to Robo, if we are to promote people, let's use them as a time to think, and we both consult each other. When I see you, i will talk to you, and we can negotiate something such as us communicating over steam, or I can obtain your steam profile so we can discuss things when one of us, or both of us, are offline. I believe both of us can work together and obtain great things.

(Also, I will probably be creating a medical roster soon, with a max of 10-15 MO's, and 10 MS'. Along with only a cap of 2 CMO's, and 2 CMS'. Robo, all I need you to do is just contact me, that was my biggest problem as I could never talk to you about certain matters. I'm not angry at you as a person.)

 

[Terra]

I recently found 2 MO's that didn't even know what CPR stood for, or even how to stitch. They tried giving a patient Adrenaline to stop the bleeding.

FIX THE MED STAFF OR IT WILL BE FIXED FOR YOU.

 

[Planet]

Names?

 

[Terra]

Names?

they were already dropped by Dr. Ahab

 

[Weeaboo Jones]

Heh, yup. I'll be hosting more after I finish my homework. A lot will be gone, I'm making a roster as well. A max of 15 MO's, and 10 MS'.

 

[Planet]

You still want my exam right?

 

[Lamba]

Saturday 6pm Central Time.
@Robo @Weeaboo Jones
SETTLE IT.

I'm afraid you are not in charge here. We can discuss this in the nco meeting however the medical division will be personally dealt with by me. A naval has messed it up and I, a naval, will fix it.
Captain Connors