Shields Vs Armor Reloaded

[Killerstorm4]

I meant on straight up ground engagements. A pilot on his feet

Well I’m certainly not leaving pilots out of the mix they aren’t without any issues that I don’t intend to fix however again they are pilots while they are well armed and im going to give them what they had in lore according to halo pedia I sure as hell ain’t making them a fucking spartan lol best they get is the squad lead gets a grenade or something But yeah again they should be in the Air not on the ground with the new maps and shit it’s the GMs fault if they aren’t using Pilots the way they should cause I mean these new maps i made sure had good enough skyboxes for HVAP, WAC and Halo Vehicles, specifically the halo range map is like a pilots wet dream

 

[Aible Reins]

Well I’m certainly not leaving pilots out of the mix they aren’t without any issues that I don’t intend to fix however again they are pilots while they are well armed and im going to give them what they had in lore according to halo pedia I sure as hell ain’t making them a fucking spartan lol best they get is the squad lead gets a grenade or something /QUOTE]

Nathan. im talking about surviving more than a single bullet. this is strictly for balancing health between players.

 

[Faceless Morty]

+1 you do know that Prowlers are heavys right? and Naval Recon are lightly armored LOL

 

[Killerstorm4]

I’m just gonna go ahead and say no because it would remove the shield system and Spartans and donators would go into a hissy fit

 

[Jenkins]

Killer when you say halo vehicles, Pilots get all pissy and say no I've had two pelicans on a laggy map and explained to the pilots that I couldn't give them another or I would be at risk of crashing, so I offered them Halo. They got all pissy and said no and just went with ground troops.

 

[Killerstorm4]

Killer when you say halo vehicles, Pilots get all pissy and say no I've had two pelicans on a laggy map and explained to the pilots that I couldn't give them another or I would be at risk of crashing, so I offered them Halo. They got all pissy and said no and just went with ground troops.

No shit, we think Halo Vehicles is for skilless little shits, who have no fucking life, are COD Players, and need to die, no offense though. When you tried to give them a Halo Vehicles it was as if you wiped your ass and then shook their hand with the same hand. Just FYI 90% Air Force would rather die then fly Halo Vehicles, WAC NHS doesnt crash either that’s insurrectionist lol.

 

[Jenkins]

It lags us hard, the rule is no more then 3 at a time.

 

[Aible Reins]

I’m just gonna go ahead and say no because it would remove the shield system and Spartans and donators would go into a hissy fit

doenst have to remove shields, just needs a buff in halo armor for non shielded players, and a nerf in shielded players....

but eh, this was already denied behind the scenes

as a side note

+1 you do know that Prowlers are heavys right? and Naval Recon are lightly armored LOL

"heavy" and "recon" are kinda contradicting, dont you think?
I reccomended slightly more armoring since they are more special, but a "heavy, jet packing troop" and "behind the scenes recon unit" is like a knife shooting gun, it just doesnt make sense....
but eh, I digress

 

[Killerstorm4]

It lags us hard, the rule is no more then 3 at a time.

Well sucks for GMs doesn’t it, if you can’t make an event right you won’t have an Air Force very simple, we aren’t going to be mingey little shits because you GMs think a Sabre being able to hover in place is acceptable in serious RP

 

[Killerstorm4]

doenst have to remove shields, just needs a buff in halo armor for non shielded players, and a nerf in shielded players....

but eh, this was already denied behind the scenes

as a side note


"heavy" and "recon" are kinda contradicting, dont you think?
I reccomended slightly more armoring since they are more special, but a "heavy, jet packing troop" and "behind the scenes recon unit" is like a knife shooting gun, it just doesnt make sense....
but eh, I digress

Halo Armor is dog shit, it’s just damage resisters, Marines have like 30 Damage resisters, in total they don’t do fuck

 

[Aible Reins]

Halo Armor is dog shit, it’s just damage resisters, Marines have like 30 Damage resisters, in total they don’t do fuck

alright so thats why I was saying buff it further.
we just need to run some trials. see what works (what values start becoming noticeable, what value is too far...)

I’m just gonna go ahead and say no because it would remove the shield system and Spartans and donators would go into a hissy fit

I would hope that the business model of revival is not "oh you donated once, but that was a while ago so your group doesn't matter anymore"

cause we have plenty of donator squads that had armor, then got shafted when it was removed.
odst got their nice padding back, as well as anyone who came after armor was removed....
(grunts, HoJ I think, jakals, non-starter marines, and recon all had armor before it was removed.)

it's one thing to say "you are a donator squad, you need to donate for changes" and leave that squad untouched.

it is another to say "you are a donator squad, donate for changes" and then take away what they originally donated for and/or ask payment to update them back to regular. That's why I am requesting armor for these jobs. its just a balancing issue.

 

[Jenkins]

Well sucks for GMs doesn’t it, if you can’t make an event right you won’t have an Air Force very simple, we aren’t going to be mingey little shits because you GMs think a Sabre being able to hover in place is acceptable in serious RP

Oof, don't mean to be rude, but for an ex dev you seem to not understand that WE CAN'T. The server will crash, and im not risking the event for 3 people that want to show off their flying skills, as a ranger myself I know halo veh suck, but I went with it. And during the events if the pilot crashes, gmod wise, everyone in that ship is fucked. There's no winning.

 

[William]

Can just buff the HP of those that don't get shields.

 

[Jenkins]

^^ Think that would be a great idea!

 

[Aible Reins]

Can just buff the HP of those that don't get shields.

the HP buff to get back to prior stats would look a little wonky,
since whiskey had 150 armor previously
rhino/gulf had 300
dogma had some 500 cause of its donator status
jakals had 75
grunts had 30

I'll see if I can get on and do the math to what that amounts to now, hp wise if thats ok...
I dont know if you realize the large gap from 400 hp and 100 hp+ 300 armor (armor has its own damage resistance factored in)

I would recommend bumping the halo armor, it is a background thing that doesn't show up in game (if you go hp route, I foresee complaints on the hp should you raise it to former equivalent protection)

 

[Jai]

The arguing needs to stop soon or some kiddos will be getting their ice cream, and their opinions taken away.

 

[Goofball]

Un popular opinion i think everything is p good your on the field and men are dieing around you. Thats war thats how it should be

 

[Taran]

+2214
shields honestly broke pvp as soon as it came out, pls bring armor back

 

[Veron]

(starting) Brutes 150 armor
Based more on the halo 3 brutes, they had large numbers of health but little armor. they already have the highest HP values on the server, but they still do need the armor to take some initial damage. anything higher and i'd increase to a total of 500 armor for warlord, who already has 999 health

This is what i would do.

Basic Brute: 300 Armor
Stalkers: 350 Armor
Jump Brutes: 325 Armor
Honor Guards: 375 Armor
Low Command: 425 Armor
High Command: 450 Armor
Senior Command: 475 Armor
Warlord: 500 Armor
Berserker: 300 Armor

Grunt: 30 Armor
Jackal: 75 Armor
Starting Sangheili: 125 Armor
Ranger: 130 Armor
Spec Ops: 135 Armor
Honor Guard: 375 Armor
Officer: 200 Armor
Low Command: 230 Armor
High Command: 375 Armor
Senior Command: 425 Armor
Arbiter: 500 Armor

This is if Shields were completely removed and replaced.
Sangheili should keep their shields if the armor was added back but we still had shields in the server/

 

[[CGC] The Vengeful One]

I like the idea, having it more challenging for events because its so easy for people with high amounts of shields to not die once. +1